Aggregators in the Public Markets (Part 1): TransDigm Group.
Preface
I’ve recently taken an interest in a certain business model: publicly traded aggregators. These are companies (that in my opinion) take a private equity approach to the public markets. Many of these companies are focused on the acquisition and continued development of separate business units or “pods” with a focus on efficiency and cash flow generation. Examples of such businesses include TransDigm Group (NYSE: TDG) and Constellation Software (TSE: CSU).
I recently attended a fireside chat with Nick Howley, founder of TransDigm. The following are the notes I took, this page will be updated as I continue to learn more about the strategies behind these types of businesses.
Lesson from the session… extreme focus on people, culture, and results -and- being positioned as “mission-critical” in the value chain (critical parts sold at high margins) is an excellent, compounding formula.
- What is TransDigm
- TransDigm is a supplier and designer of proprietary aircraft parts to the aftermarket
- If you had invested in 1993, you would have achieved an annual IRR of 35% over the past 25 years
- One of the most successful industrial/manufacturing businesses that has compounded over many years
- Founded by Nick Howley + Douglas Peacock + PE Firm (Kelso->Odyssey->Warburg->IPO)
- Nick Howley's Background
- Started in "on the ground" businesses, family had a machine shop
- Early one learned the reality of cash flow and productivity in a tangible way
- Real blocking and tackling, learned as much there as he did in formal education
- The machine shop is a tough business, not a good business
- Engineering background
- Value Creation Strategy
- Follow a simple, straightforward strategy
- Essentially, we are in the business of owning and operating proprietary (strong moat) aircraft parts (essential) businesses that cater to the aftermarket (pricing power + better margins)
- Have a compensation system aligned with shareholders
- Underpay managers and over-equitize them
- Decentralized Operations
- Have ~65 business units
- Essentially operate like a PE portfolio where each unit is a PortCo and TransDigm is the HoldCo
- Follow a disciplined acquisition strategy
- Only buy proprietary aircraft businesses with significant aftermarket
- Use a lot more leverage than typical public companies, so need high cash flow/moat/etc.
- Goal is to match or exceed the returns of the private market in a publicly traded HoldCo
- Three P's: Price, Profitability/Productivity, and Profitable New Business
- Price Goal = Price > Inflation
- Profitability/Productivity = Cost Out + Increase Productivity
- Profitable New Business = Organic / Acquisitions
- This approach works for the industrial/manufacturing/niche engineering businesses (Nick can't talk to software businesses or industries where there are high rates of change)
- Use when have 100 employees and still using with 100k employees
- We focus everything on these three things
- They can be opposed to each other, i.e. the price too high, can sell or generate new business etc.
- Need to balance all three
- Price
- The goal is to never price to cost, but price to value added to customers
- I would say in the area of pricing, most businesses don't really track / or know what their pricing trends are
- If you can't specifically say it you probably don’t know it
- Most acquisitions we work on… part of the analysis is what the prices and the trends are
- If you can't move prices close to inflation, you need to focus on cost
- How high can you get the price before you get cut?
- Need to be in tune with the market to figure out which complaints about price increases are "normal" grumbles or if you raised prices to high
- Close enough to hear the objections, bc no one will ever say "thanks for raising prices"
- Need to know what is normal complaining and what is too much complaining
- Where you are in the value chain also plays a major role in pricing power
- If your product requires repeat buys, you should know how much the switching costs are
- If you are unsure about where to raise prices, pick a small subset of a business and try it
- Usually get more than you think you can, assuming you have value to the customer
- Anyone can figure out what the factors driving switching costs and back into something reasonable
- What is the role of the CEO in pricing?
- Intimately involved
- The CEO needs to grow equity value, and prices are a key part of LT equity value growth
- When you buy a business, the CEO has to be intimately involved
- Also, when CEO is involved there should be no surprises and no confusion
- In industrial markets, usually grow like GDP and hard to make market changes
- Easiest levers to pull are usually price (price) and cost (profitability), not new business (profitable new business)
- Profitability
- We focus on productivity and reducing costs
- Ignore fixed and variable cost, view it all as costs that we need to reduce
- Cost = Rev. - EBITDA
- If you have 100mm business and 20mm EBITDA, 80mm cost base
- 4% inflation = 3.25mm increase/year
- Likely need to cut costs more than you want
- Always count all the costs, if there is productivity increase and no margin increase, usually the productivity increase comes only from cutting pricing
- Usually people only use a subset of costs, so the margins aren't growing bc there are costs that are not being accounted for intentionally
- Profitable New Business
- Look at everything from an investor's perspective, i.e. using a discount rate (IRR) and probabilities
- Look at it like an investment justification
- For acquisitions we form an investment thesis, understand the overhead (certain number of engineering hours, freebies to the company, testing costs, etc.) Then ask what is the return?
- If put 3mm in project get 200k profit very hard to justify the acquisitions or expansion
- Be realistic about markup and market penetration, do not overestimate yourself
- If you get it someone else is losing it
- Many things don’t work, i.e. even if you win you did not win
- 3mm and a 5% chance of winning, why are you bothering to do it
- Don’t invest in things you find cool but are unprofitable from a mathematic standpoint
- Which of the three P's is the most impactful for shareholder value?
- You have to focus on all of them, not just one
- Acquisitions can be a driver of the three P's but remember that results from them are hard to measure
- How to measure customer satisfaction as you drive on pricing and productivity?
- On time deliveries and how much of the backlog is past the shipping date
- Never 0
- If the pass through backlog is less than day or two of average shipments you are doing pretty well
- An engineered niche product that works, is high quality, and on time delivery is important if you are a small part in a big process of product
- Late deliveries and defects are a huge detractor
- If you are getting new business from an existing account, how pissed off can they really be?
- What is your M&A track record?
- M&A: 0 loss ratio and never impaired capital, compared to 50%-70% M&A overall being value destroying
- One of the key things is that we learn the market: aerospace
- The main way to destroy value is if you don’t understand the market or the market position of your business
- For M&A, TransDigm likes to own 100% of all proprietary IP, can accept some impairment i.e., less than 100% ownership
- Everyone says their product is proprietary but most are not
- Is there significant aftermarket? = more stable and profitable
- How much is really aftermarket? Some people are clueless, they say 0% which can't be true or they start calling everything aftermarket which also is impossible
- If you can't make the math work, move on
- Case Study (Acquisition)
- All of our products can be tied to a platform, a plane etc.
- Once you understand the platform, you can reasonably predict revenue over the next 5-6 years
- If EBITDA is 18mm, go through 3 layers
- What can we do on pricing, cost takeout (usually headcount in the first couple years), new business (could be plus or minus bc of overhead and investment)
- Helps set a EBITDA goal/target
- We assume 50% debt and 50% equity, debt multiple is off of EBITDA
- Look at it as a standalone PE investment, assume exit EBITDA multiple as unchanged since entry
- Buy at the multiple and focus on EBITDA growth
- If equity value is not growing at 20% we don’t buy it
- Don't buy for synergies, must stand alone
- We never sell, bc they are almost always more profitable as part of the whole than stand alone
- Most ppl don’t realize this, most acq. do not work, but you will never hear someone say "this failed". Why is that, bad buy? integration? culture?
- Putting aside economic cycles, ppl bought for all kinds of reason other than value creation
- Nobody looked into value creation deep enough
- But to grow multiple, sell upmarket, etc.
- We are fairly prescriptive in the beginning, make the business look like how we want it to look like, very trackable
- Most of the time we have to change out the senior management
- Put in our own ppl to any business that has substance
- Cannot change culture unless you change the top
- Take a business and put it into a unit, each product line will have an income statement and a product line manager
- We set up the income statement and set the targets, price target, cost targets, new business targets
- It is not perfect but brings clarity
- Why is headcount the first thing taken out?
- In these businesses, costs (sales-EBITDA) is usually 60% ppl related and 40% other
- The other 40% is other stuff, always hard to tell
- If you are buying a commodity you have to pay the price
- Not unusual that the commodity prices have gone unnegotiated for a long time
- Also, most do not check for other suppliers
- Quickest way to increase profitability is reduce employment numbers
- Usually not the direct labor, all overhead
- Not that people aren't working, it is that people are doing things that do not matter
- Usually you can cut 10-15% employment out of it with no problem
- How do you identify the amount of labor that can be taken out?
- No formula for it
- If there are 10 ppl in accounting, we look at other similar businesses and vet over the first 30 days
- Do not overanalyze, you will never get there
- Consultants will be there for a year lol
- How to think about compensation strategy as part of the philosophy?
- We have 68 standalone business units
- Each unit has a president and 4 direct reports
- Head of Sales, Finance, Ops., and Engineering
- 7-10 business units have a group office
- CEO, COO, CFO
- These key value creators are in the equity plan
- If you aren't in that group, they will pay market
- Those in the value creation group will pay them at the 35th percentile vs the market and give them options that vest on performance
- EBITDA growth and cash flow targets
- We assume the stock is going to grow at 15% a year, double every 5 years
- Highly lucrative for ppl bc the stock has gone up
- If you can create a value, you can make way more here than an operating unit at Honeywell etc.
- What do I do if I acquired a business with high salaries, no equity plan, and want to change this?
- Always tricky, we don’t want to buy a business and decrease salaries
- If you have people overpaid, lay off others rather than reduce salaries
- This comes up less than I expect
- On the decentralized model, are you giving options of the business unit or the TransDigm level?
- We do it at the TransDigm level bc that is where you can sell
- We have made a couple exceptions
- I've gone back and forth on synthetic equity for each structure
- Complicated as hell
- We move people around, get too complicated
- That being said, we have done two times, we have bought companies from private equity firms with founders that wanted to roll
- We give them synthetic equity structure for them, buy them back in 5 years
- EBITDA*multiple-debt=equity
- How to deal with free rider issue?
- Do quarterly business reviews, product line by product line
- Look at PnL, price target, productivity target, new product target
- Cross fertilize all the units, becomes self-checking
- Let's say you both sell into biz. jets one biz. growing at 6% and the other is 3%, other managers get grousing
- Problems become obvious and some ppl are just overly optimistic and get better over time
- Peel back the businesses, the fast answer is product mix, but almost never the answer
- Better answers are the market is not buying as much, or not buying as much and price dropped, or just have more costs than expected
- What profile do you think are the most important in ppl?
- Like to promote from within, different culture
- Culture is closer to a big PE business on the public market
- Internal promotes that understands the value creation process
- Look for smart enough, energetic, honest
- Most overvalue experience and undervalue smart, honest, and hardworking
- Have a bunch of specifics, smart enough, work hard, open and honest communicator, pass the no asshole rule
- Can train specifics but cannot train honest, energetic, and smart
- If they are willing to listen, you can get there
- Does this work in other businesses that aren't in a good market like TransDigm?
- Its math, sales-cost=profit how can I improve, sell more stuff, remove costs, or increase price
- If your goal is to grow equity value, just need to sell more stuff and get the cost down
- You can make the argument that if you can grow faster the multiple can increase
- Tough road to take bc not fundamentally improving the business (putting aside capital structure issues)
- Have you made any big mistakes?
- As a general rule, I have never replaced anyone too soon, I have waited too long
- If you lose confidence in somebody you will never recover it